Jeff Reemer
As we look towards 2026, consensus expectations are for continued rate cuts. How do you think CLO equity will behave in a declining rate environment?
Ian Gilbertson
I'm glad you asked, Jeff, because this is a question that we get a lot from potential investors.
The concern is understandable; leverage loans are floating rate assets.
And the fear is that declines in interest rates could affect the base rates of these vehicles typically so far in the US or Euribor in Europe. And that could lead to those lower quarterly distributions we discussed.
However, CLO equity is unique within the CLO structure because it’s essentially quasi fixed rate. Distributions are driven by the difference between the spreads on loan assets and the spreads on debt liabilities, both of which are floating rate but tied most of the time to the same benchmark.
So while there may be short-term fluctuations, quarter to quarter rate movements alone up or down typically do not cause large shifts in distributions. In fact, in low-rate environments, the median annual distributions of 13.6% in the US and 15% in Europe may appear even more attractive relative to the broader fixed income universe.
Jeff Reemer
In the current macroeconomic environment, what are the key factors driving CLO equity performance?
Ian Gilbertson
Throughout 2025, the market has been really focused on defaults and credit losses, a trend that began in 2023 when we saw an uptick in interest rates.
This year, investors initially had to digest tariff impact, and the implication that could have on loan portfolios, but has shifted their attention to some notable defaults within the private credit space.
Currently, annualized loan default rate, including distressed exchanges, is about 3.3% in the US loan market. So partnering with a manager that has a strong track record of credit selection, and a proven platform is critical. Importantly, the debt market tends to reward these tier one managers by accepting lower financing costs on their debt liabilities, which can further enhance the cash flows that get generated to CLO equity investors.